Video Games Beltloop and pin


I absolutely do not support the new Video Game Beltloop & Pin from the BSA.   The rest, I do.

In this day and age with any and everyon playing a lot of video games really does not promote what Cubscouts and Boyscouts are all about.  Scouting is about getting out and learning something new and getting OUTSIDE!

While I support the computers within scouting, this is just one that is not needed.  It does not teach a life skill for the boys or scouters.  Teaching Scouts how to use a computer, how to interact online and how to create websites & pages is a skill needed.

Video Games teach the scouts how to kill others, level up, do a lot of damage. This is not a beltloop & pin that I will not offer within the pack that I am Cubmaster for.  If the boy wants to earn one. Fine.  I am just not going to award it publically.

(updated 4/19/11: This was way back when. I have learned a lot since then.  Yes, I do award these now…….Just showing that I can learn from mistakes.)

About Adam R. Cox

Current Skyloo District Commissioner Current Skyloo District & Council Trainer Current Council Member at Large (Cascade Pacific Council) Former Tiger DL & CM of P221 in Pioneer District Former Skyloo District CS Roundtable Commissioner. Former Ast Council Commissioner for Commissioner Tools and Communication Former Pioneer District Training Chair WE1-492-09 Beaver W1-492-11 Bobwhite TG ASM Logistic W1-492-17-2
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6 Responses to Video Games Beltloop and pin

  1. I’m wondering what your thought process is in allowing it now. This is one that I am at this time not allowing my boys to earn. Like in your earlier statement, I feel like it goes against everything Scouts is for. I just can’t in good faith allow my sons to earn it.

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    • scouteradam says:

      While I get why you are against it, it was the same way as I was. To me, it allows me to help me understand why they like the games. It allows them to teach me about what they are interested in. It does teach them about the ratings and why some games I would not allow. Also, teaches them about computers.

      Now, my son is not the greatest at math. My wife downloaded a Math App for her iPhone and it’s now on the iPad. He gets to use that and it helps. This is all part of the guidelines of the pin. Looking at the other requirements it talks about limiting or regulating time.

      So, while the Scouts is about putting the OUT in Scouting, I get that the Scouts are way more techincal than we were at their age. The BSA has given us parents some control and help with Video Games as a whole. Boys want this stuff. They get excited about earning awards. This is one way to teach them without them knowing it.

      Is my son addicted to games. Yeah. But, we do regulate games and this helped. I would first have your son go through the Good Manners Beltloop/Pin before they get the Video Games. Overall, I would not limit him in what he wants to learn. You just get to help guide him along his path of learning.

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  2. Scouter Doug says:

    When I first heard the belt loop was announced I immediately disagreed as well. After seeing the requirements though I was more in favor. Yes all our boys play video games, and probably too much of them – which is partly why I think this loop/pin is available. At least in our house it forced a conversation about the necessity for rating systems and deciding on what was a reasonable amount of game time… With or without the achievement the boys will be playing video games. I think the intent is to encourage more responsibility both in the games selected and the amount of time spent on them.

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  3. adam says:

    This badge is ridiculous. It's not really an achievement being able to play a video games and I also believe it could encourage kids to play too much. The BSA obviously don't know much about the subject and it seems like a pathetic attempt to be "cool".The requirements are ridiculous also. You don't exactly create a plan to buy a video game. I tend to look online, see something I like and get it. Also, the "Teach an adult or a friend how to play a video game." made me laugh, remembering the time I tried to teach my dad how to play Gears of War. (which, by the way, is an extremely violent game)You say "Video Games teach the scouts how to kill others, level up, do a lot of damage." and I must say I cringe everytime I hear statements like this. This is what the media want everybody to think to make games seem negative. Not all video games are like this! And to be honest, these things don't really put me off – I don't think very many of the games I play are "Suitable for my age group". However, I do agree that it is wrong for cubs to play games that are unsuitable because they would be too immature and may find things disturbing – keep them away from violent horror games such as Resident Evil! I love games and I play them everyday. However, it does not get in the way of my social life or school work or anything like that. Video games are fun and are worlds you can get lost in. They're just a form of entertainment – just like books, films and music.It would be better if the kids learnt what was going on behind the scenes and learnt about publicity, game development, budgeting etc. That would be very interesting, useful and productive. Would you support the badge if it was like that?By the way, thanks for following me on twitter and I can be found at http://www.woggleknot.com !

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  4. Adam R. Cox says:

    Clarke: Thanks so much for responding. That is what I wanted this blog to do. Promote responses from all sides.Yes, I cannot withhold awards because I disagree with them personally. That is wrong. I would never do that. If a boy went out and earned that achivement, he should get that which is due to him. To me, that goes against my rule of "promoting fun". It is true that families have game night and choose to play the Wii. We have one, and do play it. For my kids (8 Year old son and 5 year old daughter) we restrict what they play. It needs to be correct for the age.The actual requirements of the Beltloop and Pin are very admirable and good. This award does help bring families together. It's not always possible to be outside due to weather.The heart of my not promoting this activity is that it keeps the boys in front of a TV and does not expand his mind. It is also one that a boy would do anyway if he was not a cubscout.In the pack that I am Cubmaster for, the Den Leaders hand out all the awards for everything. So, they will get public recognition for the Beltloop/Pin. If my son wants to earn it, I am not going to stop him. But I will help him earn it as described within the guidelines. (I have bought the book yesterday.)I will say that I am embracing two belloops/pins on a pack level. They are the Disabilities Awareness (New this year) and Hiking. I am also at the pack level just finishing up the Leave No Trace & the BSA 100 Year of Celebration Patch. Both of these are getting awarded in the next few weeks. All of these programs help get the boys & families out of their house and learn things that they might not.So, if you look at the theme of what I am trying to do you might understand why I do not like the Video Game one. Overall, if there is something that I do not agree with with the BSA, I work with my Unit Commissioner, District Exec and others to figure out how to hand it. Which up to this point is just finding recources to make things happen.

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  5. Clarke Green says:

    You are not at your own discretion to decide which awards are suitable for public recognition. You agreed to abide by the policies and programs of the BSA when you signed on.I don't play video games myself but I know families that play games together (not shoot-em up games but games like golf).You may want to do a little looking into how and what people are doing with games and with their children – it isn't all what you think.

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